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         March 13, 2024.  Meeting of the Governing Board.



         >> MS. THERESA RIEL:  Okay.  We're going to call this meeting to

    order.

         Will you please stand and join me in saying the Pledge of

    Allegiance?

         (Pledge of Allegiance.)

         >> MS. THERESA RIEL:  Roll call.

         Board Member Luis Gonzales.

         >> MR. LUIS GONZALES:  Present.

         >> MS. THERESA RIEL:  Board Member Dr. Wade McLean.

         >> DR. WADE McLEAN:  Present.

         >> MS. THERESA RIEL:  Board Member Maria Garcia.

         >> MS. MARIA GARCIA:  Here.

         >> MS. THERESA RIEL:  Board Member Greg Taylor?  I was informed

    that he was going to be logging on in a few moments, so we'll see him

    when he joins us.  Thank you.

         I want to acknowledge that Pima Community College is on the

    original homelands of the Tohono O'Odham people and the Pascua Yaqui

    who have stewarded this land since time and memorial.  The practice

    of acknowledging the land of these sovereign nations bring to the

    forefront their enduring connection to this land regardless of

    historical and current colonization practices.

         Let's also acknowledge that we all benefit from these lands on

    which we work and learn.  We encourage each of you today to learn





    about the land we inhabit, the tribal communities connected to these

    lands, and the ways in which you can contribute to restorative

    practices related to land and community.

         Thank you.

         I don't think we have any public call to comment today.  This is

    your chance (smiling).

         Okay.  Marcy Euler is online, I believe, to give us the Pima

    Community College Foundation update.  Thank you, Marcy.

         >> MARCY EULER:  Good evening.  Hopefully you can see my screen.

         >> MS. THERESA RIEL:  We can.  Thank you.

         >> MARCY EULER:  Okay.  Excellent.

         Thank you, Chairperson Riel, Board of Governors, Interim

    Chancellor, members and guests in the audience.

         Our board report, I will not read you the slides, as per usual,

    but I did want to show some highlights of the things that we have

    been doing since the last time we met.

         So as you know, we are the philanthropic partner to Pima

    Community College, supporting the students, faculty, and programs

    that are important to our region.

         Some things that we have done recently, thanks to Greg Taylor and

    Arizona Complete Health, we had an event at McKale Center on February

    29 prior to and during a women's basketball game.  They played USC.

    They went to double overtime and they lost, but we had a fabulous

    group of Pima employees, donors, potential donors, and our team who

    were able to enjoy that event.  We appreciate the partnership with





    Arizona Complete Health that made that happen.

         Recently our team went to Davis-Monthan and was able to take a

    tour.  We got to see the A-10s and go in the simulation machines and

    learn how important the connection between DM and the college is, and

    also how we all are intertwined in the community.

         So here are some pictures of Saby and Zulma looking into the

    full-size equipment and the panel that is in the plane.  Then we all

    got to drive A-10s.  I will tell you, I crashed my A-10 on approach

    on the airport runway.  It's a good thing I'm not really a pilot.

    (Laughter.)

         We also participated, Lance Jones and I participated in the

    Futures Conference.  I always appreciate Nic's invitation to be part

    of that.  I was the facilitator for Table 13.  Chairperson Riel was

    at my table.  We talked about retention.

         The one person that's not in this picture, Mark Jepperson, was

    the other participant, and it was a great conversation, a wonderful

    morning, and we hopefully helped solve some ideas to have better

    retention for students who enroll at the college.

         This is my husband, and he is a super volunteer, in my opinion,

    with the Festival of Books.  And on Friday when everything was being

    set up, he took a selfie in front of the Pima College tent.  Pima

    College had a double booth at the Festival of Books.  Probably

    100,000 people that wandered through during the course of the

    Saturday and Sunday event.  Many people from the college participated

    in answering questions and hosting authors and talking about how





    important Pima is in the community.  Since I turned this in on

    Friday, I didn't have a chance to give you a better picture than my

    husband in front of the booth.

         I can tell you that Friday night, the Pima Foundation table

    included donors.  I had three students who were from the writing

    program, a faculty member, the dean of communications, and an author,

    one Pulitzer Prize-winning author and a New York Times best-selling

    author at our table.  It was tremendous for the students to be able

    to talk with people who are doing the things that they want to do.

    So that was a really wonderful opportunity for them.

         We have some upcoming events.  These are in your packet, and so I

    won't read them.  I do want to call your attention to this slide.

    We're doing this quarterly.  This shows you what our revenue looks

    like, the different sources that we receive funds from.

         From July 1 to December 31st, so far we have received, in that

    period, we have received over $2 million in gifts and 2,149 gifts

    total from 734 different donors.

         We have a diversified portfolio.  If you see the revenue slide,

    the box at the top left shows you where our money comes from.  We are

    actually 66% of our anticipated revenue coming in as of December

    31st.  So 50% of the year, we are a little bit ahead.

         The box at the bottom shows our revenue performance on a monthly

    basis over the past three years, so we had a really very positive

    December.  2024, you can see that's the far right side of that, and

    how that shapes up over the course of each year.





         If you go to the far right, our expenses, we are required in our

    audit to identify our expenditures by general and administrative

    fundraising and program expenses.  Program expenses in our world

    include scholarships as well as funds that we provide to programs and

    departments at the college.

         So the lion's share of our money is spent on the things that

    support students and programs and faculty, a little bit toward our

    fundraising expenses, and our general and administrative costs are

    largely associated with salaries and maintaining the office.

         We're about 40% of our expected expenditures have been completed

    by 50% of the year being done, and then you can also see our

    expenditures year to date over the past three years.  Big spike into

    September of 2023 when we spent a large amount of money on our

    applied technology area from money that was donated by the Brown

    Foundation.

         Smack in the middle is about our scholarships.  By December 31st,

    we had awarded 335 scholarships to the tune of over $250,000.  For

    spring semester, that number will climb another, I think it's close

    to 200 scholarships and almost $200,000.  So in April, we may be able

    to provide this slide with the updated spring term information.

         We also are 41% to our Hillman goal.  We will probably jump to

    more than 50% when we have our March numbers finished up.

         Here's our review of our total portfolio.  We have a $9 million

    endowment now.  Our endowment is growing.  Our portfolio is a little

    bit smaller because we do spend money the way our donors want us to





    do, and then you can see the scholarships and the program funds that

    we have expended so far in fiscal year '24.

         My team, like I always say, this is my team that works with me,

    but you all are my fundraising team in an ambassadorial relationship

    with the public, and we thank you for that.  And here is how you can

    reach us.

         With that, I'd be happy to entertain any questions that you might

    have.

         >> MS. MARIA GARCIA:  Can you tell me, what's the average

    scholarship amount?

         >> MARCY EULER:  It depends on what donors have decided.  So each

    scholarship that we offer, whether it's general or endowed, the donor

    identifies what the amount of the scholarship is.

         If I use our friends at Arizona Complete Health as an example,

    they have identified a thousand dollars as the amount of their

    scholarships.  We have several scholarships that are awarded at $250

    or $500, some that are awarded at higher than that.  It all depends

    on what the donor stipulated.

         >> MS. MARIA GARCIA:  Thank you.

         >> MARCY EULER:  Uh-huh.

         >> MS. THERESA RIEL:  Marcy, I have a quick question for you.

    When we were talking at the table at the Futures Conference, you

    mentioned that one of the groups that is donating money will double

    our contributions through -- what was it?

         >> MARCY EULER:  Not double.





         >> MS. THERESA RIEL:  I mean they will give the same amount.

         Oh, no?

         >> MARCY EULER:  No, it's half.  It's 50%.

         >> MS. THERESA RIEL:  Okay.  Perfect.  I'm a math teacher.  I

    should have caught on to that.  Okay.

         My question for you is if somebody wanted to start -- I know that

    employees can have money taken out of their paycheck, our paychecks

    aren't big enough to take anything out of on the board, so if we

    wanted to make, is it better to make a one-time contribution or is it

    better to make a smaller monthly contribution to get that advantage

    of having it 50% increased?

         >> MARCY EULER:  So that's the Hillman match that's identified on

    the one slide.  They will do 50 cents on every new dollar that comes

    in.  So when some people have given through payroll deduction, and

    they may do $5, $10 a pay period, and then at the end of our quarter,

    we say, well, here's how much they have given, and then 50% gets

    added onto that.  If somebody gave $100, then we would get a 50%

    bump.

         So either way, it works.  The one piece that makes it more

    complicated and that makes the algarithm a little bit more

    challenging is it has to be new or increased donations.  And so

    again, I will use our friends at Arizona Complete Health as our

    example, their gift of $500,000 will actually become $750,000.  So in

    working with Greg and the team at Arizona Complete Health, we talked

    with them, how do you want that to be included in your gift?





         So the additional $250,000, my recollection is it's going to go

    toward the endowment, the endowment will become a $550,000 endowment.

    We will have 100,000 to pass out in scholarships while the endowment

    is growing, the corpus and the earnings are growing, so that we can

    disburse after three years, and there is $100,000 for curriculum

    development.

         That endowment will be the largest single endowment we have at

    the Foundation.  That doesn't mean that small gifts don't matter.

    That just illustrates it a little bit easier in terms of how the

    impact can happen.

         Does that answer your question, Chairperson Riel?

         >> MS. THERESA RIEL:  Yes.  Thank you.

         >> MARCY EULER:  You're welcome.

         >> MS. THERESA RIEL:  Any other questions?

         Okay.  Thank you, Marcy.

         >> MARCY EULER:  You're welcome.  One other thing that's not in

    the slide deck, today I testified in Phoenix in front of the senate

    for the possibility of our being able to get a Pima College license

    plate.

         We passed the senate transportation committee.  There is some

    debate and there's some other things that are going on, so keep your

    fingers crossed that that may be something that we're able to have

    our lobbyists and Libby and the folks that work with the legislature

    be able to negotiate.  So hopefully in the future that might be

    something that happens, and the monies from that would be able to go





    towards scholarship.

         >> MS. THERESA RIEL:  And I would assume that, once again, all of

    us can write or call our elected officials and tell them that we

    encourage them to pay attention to that and vote yes on it also,

    correct?

         >> MARCY EULER:  I'm not the best person to respond to that.  I

    assume so.  But I would leave that to Libby and Jonathan to explain

    what the best course of action would be.

         >> MS. THERESA RIEL:  So they are giving me the thumbs up.  So

    yeah, write your elected officials.  Invite them out to lunch and

    encourage them to get the PCC license plate when they become

    available.

         >> MARCY EULER:  Well, and it's for all the community colleges in

    the state.  We are advocating for all of the community colleges to

    have the opportunity, but Libby and Jonathan initiated it through us,

    and then there have been amendments to it to include the other

    institutions.

         >> MS. THERESA RIEL:  Great.  Thank you.

         >> MARCY EULER:  Absolutely.  Have a great meeting.  Thank you.

         >> MS. THERESA RIEL:  Okay.  We're moving on to Pima's Mission

    Moment.  Joseph Mais will be coming up with two of our fabulous

    students here at Pima College.

         >> JOSEPH MAIS:  Chair Riel, members of the board, Chancellor

    Duran-Cerda, we wanted to take today's Mission Moment to highlight

    and thank our students.  We had three students who joined us for the





    Association of Community College Trustees conference in Washington,

    D.C., last month.

         Every member of the board and the chancellor all mentioned, and

    many people on our team, mentioned the value that students bring to

    these opportunities of outreach to our elected officials, especially

    in Washington.  This group was phenomenal.  They bring talent and

    personality, and their stories are very touching.

         When they share the meaning of their experience and certain funds

    that the federal government provides for them to be able to succeed

    at Pima, it has a much bigger impact than any of us can do at the

    policy level.

         So we want to take some time to honor them, and I wanted to give

    them each a couple of minutes to share their thoughts and impressions

    of their experience today.

         I'll turn it over to Roxanna Lujano.

         >> Hello.  I'm Roxanna Lujano.  First of all, I wanted to express

    my gratitude for being a part of this experience and for being one of

    the students chosen to be brought along.

         I came home from the trip very inspired and hopeful for what the

    future has in store for Pima Community College, as well as all the

    other community colleges across America and their students.

         I learned a lot about policy and the different issues faced by

    other students of community colleges.  The issue that stood out the

    most to me and also affects me personally was the accessibility of

    FAFSA and the funds that come from that.





         I'm a student that works part-time to pay for school out of

    pocket without the help of my parents.  I have never been eligible

    for grants, even when I was going to school full-time at the

    University of Arizona.

         I was very surprised to learn that Pell Grants are counted as

    taxable income and of the ways that this negatively affects many

    students, not only in Arizona but across all of the states.

         Aside from having the opportunity to explore Washington, D.C., my

    favorite part was meeting with Representative Juan Ciscomani.  He and

    the board members inspired me and reminded me that my story is

    important to share, and that I am a role model to many

    first-generation Americans and first-generation students,

    specifically girls in STEM.

         I will never forget my roots, and I will always be proud of them.

    I loved getting to spend time with Minerva and Brandon and learning

    their unique stories as well.

         I also loved getting to know the board members, and I'm happy and

    grateful to know that Pima Community College is in very good hands.

    I'm so thankful for the school and its accessible resources and I'm

    very delighted to be a student here.

         Thank you.

         >> JOSEPH MAIS:  Now I'll introduce Minerva Torres.

         >> Hi.  I am so honored to be here with you.  Well, my short

    story is I was born and raised in Tegucigalpa, Honduras.  I came to

    this country to settle down in Tucson with my husband and three kids





    five years ago.

         Unfortunately, my country is not the best option to live anymore.

    So back in my country, I'm a professional woman.  I have a bachelor

    degree in business administration, but when I came here, my diploma

    cannot be validated because of many educational strict policies.

         I asked for financial aid to study, and they said because I have

    a degree, I cannot have the financial aid.  So in one hand, they said

    you have a diploma, but we cannot validate, and on the other one they

    said, okay, you have a diploma, you have a degree, we cannot give you

    financial aid.  So I had to start from scratch.

         Being an immigrant is very hard.  Being an immigrant at my age is

    harder.  So I start in a new country with a new language, a new

    culture, and at that time my language skills wasn't good enough to

    talk like I'm talking now (smiling).

         One day I was trying to deliver a message through the phone.  I

    asked for a person who can speak Spanish, and this person told me, if

    you want to live in this country, you have to speak English.  I felt

    so miserable when I heard that, but it was true.  If I want to live

    here, I have to speak the language (smiling).

         Because I don't have a job, I couldn't study, so I enrolled my

    son at Pima Community College.  I was told about this wonderful

    program in the adult educations, and that's for free.  I enrolled in

    the program, and I studied English, grammar, writing, reading, Google

    classes, and many workshops sponsored by the program.

         So after that, I was told to go to enroll in the EL (phonetic)





    program, and got my certificate because of the foundation I already

    have in the adult education.  Now I am studying interpretation and

    translation study at Pima Community College.  So adult education was

    my springboard to go to another stage in my life when I thought that

    because of my age, my opportunities were over.

         And being there in Washington, I couldn't believe myself that I

    was there.  And I say, my God, Minerva, what are you doing here?

    (Smiling.)  As Roxanna says, we were very impressed to be with these

    people, with the lawmaker, with the people who change the life of, I

    mean, the most important people, I will say, in the world in being

    there and be part of the Pima and be the voice of other specially

    professional immigrants that we come to this country to start from

    the scratch, that we are already foreign, that this country can take

    advantage of us because we are already foreign, but we don't have so

    many alternative.

         So thank you, Pima Community College, I have found my path in

    this country.  So I'm very blessed to find Pima and to have this

    opportunity in Washington to be selected.

         For me, it's an honor to be part of this community.  Thank you.

         (Applause.)

         >> JOSEPH MAIS:  Minerva's story, elected officials were so

    impressed that Juan Ciscomani actually featured her in his weekly

    newsletter.  That's something to look for, as well.

         Brandon was unable to join us this evening.  We just wanted to

    say the reason he can't make it tonight is because he finished the





    aviation program.  Those of you who were at the event on Friday at

    the campus, Chair Riel shared the story of the student who went to

    the police, through the program to be a police officer, and found out

    after he finished the program that he was colorblind and therefore

    ineligible.  That was Brandon.

         So Brandon went into our aviation program, and the success of

    tonight is that he's working at Bombardier, and so couldn't join us

    tonight because he has his job that he got from his work here.

         So we congratulate him, as well.  Thank you.

         (Applause.)

         >> MS. THERESA RIEL:  I would just also like to thank Joseph,

    because for the last two years he has been sort of like the mentor to

    our students that are attending to the legislative summit, and with

    his vast knowledge, he worked for Grijalva for many years, went to

    school there for law school, didn't you?  So he knows that place in

    and out, and he points out, you know, interesting facts.

         I think that you make, you make the trip as amazing as the big

    monuments and everything else.  So thank you, again, Joseph, for

    everything you do.

         (Applause.)

         >> MS. THERESA RIEL:  We're going to move back to Governing Board

    member remarks.

         Board Member Gonzales, would you like to go first?

         >> MR. LUIS GONZALES:  I also want to acknowledge the young

    ladies that are present right now.  Just to let you know, one of the





    things when we were having discussions and round tables with them,

    various nights, one of the things that came out, they felt very

    comfortable with us and us, as well.

         One of the things I did tell them and shared with them is that

    you guys are part of the big family.  And they are.  They truly are,

    including Brandon, who is not here.  All of them were a joy.  But all

    of them were outstanding individuals that I really commend that this

    is the future of tomorrow.  And it is.

         I don't have a big report, but I do want to emphasize the Friday

    Futures Conference.  We also discussed the retention component.  I

    think it went very well in reference to hearing various individuals

    around the table.  I think it's an issue that can be solved, and I

    think we're going to solve it.  I'm very anxious to hear the

    collaboration but also the outcomes from the different tables that we

    had there.

         But I think the gentleman that spoke first was very specific,

    detailed in reference to the importance of postsecondary education

    and what Pima has done.  I think that was a big plus for all of us,

    the biggest plus that I heard.  He re-emphasized and talked to the

    public there, to the round tables, said, you have good board members,

    and vote for them, as well, too (laughter), which I loved.

         I think it's one of the comments that came out, but the comment

    that I saw when he said to vote for them, he sat at my table, he saw

    we have a true passion, reference to the importance of providing our

    students the best that we can reference to our faculty, staff, and





    administration.  And that's what we're here for.

         Thank you.

         >> MS. THERESA RIEL:  Thank you.  Board Member Taylor, are you

    online to give us your comments?  Thank you.

         >> MR. GREG TAYLOR:  Yeah, thank you.

         Well, I apologize for not being there in person, but hi to

    Roxanne and Minerva and Brandon, who hopefully sees this at some

    point, but it was a pleasure getting to spend some time with all

    three of you, hearing your stories.  And as much as you were all

    saying you were inspired to be there, it was definitely inspirational

    to be there with you and knowing what is in store for all of you in

    the future and the things you'll achieve.  I have every confidence

    that you'll get there.  Yeah, it was a pleasure to spend that time

    together.

         I apologize I can't be there in person for you all and everyone

    else tonight.  My wife had a significant medical procedure this

    morning, and she is fine, but I wanted to be available to her.  So I

    may pop in and out a little bit.  I apologize if that happens, and it

    happened at the beginning of the meeting.

         But that's all I have in terms of my remarks.  I'm looking

    forward to the discussions today, and it was nice to reflect for a

    minute on that trip to D.C. and everything we did together.

         >> MS. THERESA RIEL:  Thank you.  Board Member Maria Garcia.

         >> MS. MARIA GARCIA:  Okay.  So welcome, everyone.  Especially

    welcome to the students that came.  We had a wonderful time.  But





    what I want to say to you primarily is that you have an understanding

    of what the board and the college does to try to support the students

    and our community and our businesses.

         So please remember that.  Impart that information to your

    children, because the college needs your support, needs to continue

    doing that so it can survive.  Maybe one day you might want to

    consider running for the board (smiling).

         Anyway, I'm running for the board, so I'll see you out there if

    you're in my area.  But thank you, all.  I really enjoyed spending

    time with you guys.

         >> MS. THERESA RIEL:  Thank you.  Board Member Dr. Wade McLean.

         >> DR. WADE McLEAN:  I'd like to give a sincere appreciation to

    the Pima Foundation.  It's obvious, after seeing the presentation

    that Marcy did tonight, the impact that they make in the lives of our

    students and the hard work that's behind the scenes.  So thank you to

    the Foundation, especially the leadership that Marcy brings with it.

         Also, I'd like to remind everybody that our boys' and girls'

    basketball teams are champions, and they are moving forward to win a

    national championship.  If anybody can give any support to them,

    they're on the road, will be on the road until they win it all.  They

    have had a great year.  They are deserving of our accolades.

         That's the end of my report.

         >> MS. THERESA RIEL:  Thank you.  I would like to say it's been a

    busy month, but I can't even really remember all of the amazing

    things that I experienced.  I did go to the adult education honors





    society induction ceremony, and there were 14 students.

         You know, I think education is tricky and difficult for all of us

    at all of our different levels, but I was so proud to hear all those

    14 students.  They were learning English, many of them.  They were

    getting their general education diploma, and at the same time they

    were learning skills and talents to get certificates.

         I was just so proud of all of those students.  Not only them, but

    I was proud of their instructors and all the staff that run that

    program.  We don't realize all of the facets that Pima has.  This is

    an amazing place, and all of you employees, you should be really,

    really proud of yourself, because we are proud of you.  So thank you.

         Second of all, I would like to thank the Pima Community College

    students and the high school students from Sahuarita and from

    Sunnyside School Districts who came to the Futures Conference and

    contributed their points of view from young students who will be

    attending higher education in the very near future.

         I appreciate greatly too all of their teachers and the staff from

    those high schools that also brought them.  I think that is really,

    really important to make sure that all of us connect, you know, from

    the high schools to Pima College to the University and all of the

    other options that students have for higher education.  Thank you,

    all, for being there.

         Lastly, Monday and Tuesday, I spent all day at the East Campus

    and then the afternoon yesterday at the Desert Vista Campus talking

    to our administration there, talking to faculty and staff.  I love





    Pima because it's been such a great place to work, but when I see you

    all work and interact with students and teach and go out of your way

    to be amazing to our students, it really is a super-uplifting sense

    of the world is moving in the right direction.

         I just want to -- I won't mention names, but there was this one

    teacher, and when I walked by the first time she was counseling a

    student.  When I walked by 30 minutes later, she was counseling a

    student.  So she said, hey, Theresa, do you need something?  I talked

    for, like, a minute, and she came up to me later and she said that

    that student had been dropped for nonattendance.  And she was working

    with her for over 45 minutes to get her back into the program and get

    caught up.

         I just thought that that's amazing, the drive and the efforts

    that faculty and staff and administration do for not only our

    students but for our county and our state and our nation.  So thank

    you, everyone.

         Moving on to item No. 2, our administrative reports.  First up

    it's Phil Burdick, vice chancellor for external relations, and/or

    Dr. Irene Robles-Lopez.  They are going to be talking about, I guess,

    enrollment management, and the student experience.  Thank you.

         >> PHIL BURDICK:  Thank you.  Good evening, everyone.

         As you know, enrollment management is about two things.  Half of

    it is student recruitment, getting new students in the door.  The

    other half is keeping the students here and making sure that they

    complete their goals.





         So this next item affects both of those parts of enrollment.  So

    I'm sure you have all heard that the new simplified FAFSA has been

    rolled out.  It has not been without problems, and I'm going to

    outline just a few of them for you and I'm going to bring David

    Donderewicz up here to answer any questions that you might have.

         According to the Arizona Board of Regents, about 17,000 Arizona

    high school students have filled out their FAFSA.  That's a really

    concerning number.  It's a 40% decline from last year.  Now, some of

    it is because the new FAFSA form was rolled out late.  But the other

    problems are that there is issues with the form itself.

         Just to put that in perspective, our state ranks 49th of 50

    states with FAFSA completion at this moment.  That's a very

    concerning problem, because FAFSA is also an indicator of enrollment.

    This is going to affect our enrollment come the fall.

         Not only was the rollout late, there were some technical problems

    with it.  The calculations did not adjust for inflation.  That was a

    problem.  Here's where the issue hits Pima the hardest.  We have

    issues now with our families who fill out FAFSAs where one or more of

    their parents do not have a Social Security number.  That procedure

    was not baked into the new FAFSA form, and so far there is no

    workaround with it.

         David can tell you there are some things that we are trying to

    do, but until they come up with a solution for it, that's a real

    problem for our students.  That's a real issue.

         Our FAFSAs, when students filled them out, won't come back to the





    institution probably until late April or May.  So students won't even

    know how much money they are eligible for until April or May.  That

    again is going to affect our enrollment, because we worked really

    hard to get them to fill out that FAFSA early, bring in the money,

    fill out their application, meet with their advisor, and get them set

    up for fall.  So that's definitely going to be an issue for us.  And

    as I said, FAFSA can be a predictor of enrollment.  It's going to be

    a bit of a wild card this year.

         So let me bring up our financial aid director, David Donderewicz,

    and he and I can answer any questions that you may have.

         David?

         >> MS. THERESA RIEL:  There might not be an answer right now, but

    I'd like all of us to be thinking about this.  How can Pima College

    help high schools?  Because my guess is it's the high school teachers

    and faculty and counselors that are helping our high school students

    fill out those forms.

         Have we thought in the future about what kind of activities, you

    know, your board members, most of us have some free time, and we'd go

    to the high schools and help our students get those forms filled out,

    but what plans do we have of assisting the high schools?  Because

    obviously if they are doing the work but it affects our enrollment,

    we've got to be intimately involved with that activity, too.

         >> DAVID DONDEREWICZ:  Yeah, so we have been working with the

    high schools prior to the FAFSA coming out, and so we have been

    working with our colleagues in dual enrollment and the high schools





    throughout the city to really offer events for FAFSA, so we have

    FAFSA events at many different high schools.

         We also are going to have a Super Saturday coming up in April to

    have an opportunity for those students to come in on their day off

    instead of offering event Monday through Friday 8:00 to 5:00, so we

    are looking at some things of that nature to continue to offer.

         Then lastly, we're looking at the numbers from last year, they

    actually have numbers of the high school students, high school

    seniors who submitted the FAFSA last year.  So we get a good

    understanding of what high schools last year struggled, so now we can

    really work with those high schools to get those forms filled out

    there, as well.

         And you're invited to all the events.  They're on the website.

         >> MS. MARIA GARCIA:  So I have a question.  What about the issue

    with Social Security numbers for one or both parents?  Has that been

    resolved?

         >> DAVID DONDEREWICZ:  So the Department of Education came out

    with electronic announcement last night that some portions of the

    issue have been resolved, but they realized there was other issues

    underlying with that, so they are working diligently to get that fix

    in place so those students and those families can submit that FAFSA

    form using the logic that was built in place to look at families who

    have parents who don't have Social Security numbers.

         There is a process in place where you can verify your identity

    without the Social.  So the department is coming out with that.  It's





    just rolling out later than anticipated.

         So for our students, obviously it's very frustrating in filling

    out the form.  Our staff are working with those individuals and kind

    of keeping a log of all those individuals who are struggling so we

    can reach out to them when that fix is available.  So yeah, we're

    pending the Department of Education's update to that, and then we

    will work with those students to get that done.

         We have some marketing that will go out to those students, as

    well, especially our returning students, and as our students apply to

    the institution, those are things that are constantly going out to

    those students about applying for the FAFSA.

         >> PHIL BURDICK:  Thank you.

         >> MS. THERESA RIEL:  Thank you so much.

         Okay.  We're going to move to item 5, action items 1 and 2 right

    now, and then we will come back to the rest of our item 2 reports.

         >> DR. DAVID BEA:  Good evening, Chairperson Riel, members of the

    board, Chancellor Duran-Cerda, colleagues and guests.  It's my

    pleasure tonight to sort of quickly provide another overview about

    the budget, where we're at, and then provide support for the

    recommendation that's in your board packet and then be able to answer

    any questions the board may have about the recommendation.

         So the first thing that I want to say, and I know we're on a time

    constraint, so I'm going to try and go through this pretty quickly,

    that generally speaking, year over year, the college does the same

    things.  We teach students, we provide student support services, we





    provide administrative support.

         Most of the college's activities go from one year to the next

    year to the next year.  So oftentimes when we are talking about the

    budget, it's an incremental model where we are saying, okay, assuming

    that we do the same things that we do year over year over year, what

    are the changes that are at the sort of margins?  So oftentimes we

    are talking with the board about marginal changes in revenue, along

    with marginal changes in expenditures.

         With that, let me quickly do the highlight of the base budget,

    kind of where we're starting at this year.  When we had the study

    session in February, one of the things I didn't do I think a very

    good job emphasizing is that within the base budget, it is continuing

    to do the operations, doing the strategies, commitments, and then

    efficiencies that are already what we are planning to do.

         So there are a number of strategic priorities that are already

    built into the base, for example, the completion of the centers of

    excellence for health professions and applied technology, finishing

    up the current strategic plan and any operational expenses that may

    be related to that, sustaining and supporting the class comp

    structure, which was a strategic priority going back a couple of

    years now, and then another example going back a couple of years is

    the budget includes funding to support, to continue to offer student

    success courses at no cost, so there is no tuition charge for those

    programs.

         The other thing to emphasize within our budget is that we talked





    with the board, there was a lot of hesitation about knowing that our

    enrollment has declined over time, and that the staffing metrics that

    we have are misaligned with the size of enrollment and that that's

    something we have talked about for a number of years.

         We also talked about doing other things to reduce operating

    expenses as much as possible.  So the budget recommendation is really

    set up so that it has a planned reduction of positions built into it.

    It has also no operating expense increase.  That isn't to say that

    there aren't operating expenses that are increasing.  There are.  But

    they are going to be offset by other reductions.  I will talk about

    in a second about a couple of the ideas that are in play.

         But the idea is that any projected cost increases we have,

    medical care, the medical plan coverage is going up a couple hundred

    thousand dollars, for example, year over year.  When we are talking

    about the budget right now, we are finding operational decreases to

    offset all of those increases.

         Then, as we have been talking with the board and I mentioned a

    second ago, we are really trying to, over time, align the institution

    to realistic revenue projections and also to the enrollment to really

    rightsize the institution.

         So some of the strategies this year are the budget staff is

    actually going through unit by unit, identifying when budgets tend to

    be high versus actual expenses, and then recalibrating those and

    repositioning budgets.  So there will be some savings in that.  Most

    of that is just budget changes and budget formality, but that is an





    important thing to really identify where potential reductions can

    occur in future years, again, re-emphasizing that we are in the

    business of reallocating resources, that identifying when we have a

    new strategic need, whether it's a growth in a certain program area,

    the idea is using vacant positions to move to those program areas to

    support that growth and continue doing that, but net overall it might

    look flat.

         A couple of other things that we are looking at and really

    focusing on the efficiencies of online offerings, class fill rates,

    looking at class fill rates overall, but particularly in the online

    area, and then looking at what services are provided.  Are there

    changes we can do to services that are more efficient for the

    institution but not at a big decrement to the service quality that's

    offered.

         Lastly, and this is the second-to-last bullet, we are looking at

    different options for leasing out space, and I think that we have an

    option that we are going to be exploring relatively quickly and we'll

    talk to the board more about what the realities of that are in the

    next month or two.

         The important thing is so you have this base budget, and then you

    have what comes down to a handful of discretionary items that we talk

    about with the board.  That is that you have board decisions on

    tuition and property taxes.  Those are discretionary decisions each

    year.  And then proposed expenditures relate to employee compensation

    and then what you're doing with positions.





         As I mentioned already, we are looking to reduce positions, and

    as I have said many times to the board, the plan is to reduce

    positions through attrition.  That is to say that if someone retires

    or someone leaves for another job, the first task is going to be how

    can we fold those duties into other currently existing positions and

    not fill the vacant position.

         Again, to remind the board, change of dollar per credit hour

    overall increases the revenues to the college by about $350, so a

    proposed tuition increase of $3 generates a little bit over a million

    dollars.  The $3 credit proposal is consistent with what the other

    Arizona colleges are doing on average.  The average increase is

    slightly more than $3 per credit hour.  We provided in the board

    packet, and I have it in a slide in a second, to show where we are

    versus our peer institutions.

         In terms of the property taxes, we have the ability to do a levy

    neutral, which doesn't change taxes year over year.  You just assume

    new growth.  New growth is about $2 million of that's new properties

    that have already come onto the tax rolls.  That's about $2 million.

    And then we have the ability to increase all the way to $6.2 million.

         The recommendation is to go up 2%.  That's the most typical thing

    the college has done historically.  In addition to the levy neutral

    amount, that generates another $2.8 million for the college.

         Here is what I mentioned in terms of the comparison of our peer

    institutions.  We're the fourth from the left.  This is a combined

    per-credit charge, so this is the in-state tuition plus the





    per-credit fees.  We have student services fees of $3.50 and a $2

    information technology fee.  So the orange line, orange bar that you

    see at the top of ours, are the addition of those $5.50 of total

    fees.  The tuition rate presently is $92.  So our tuition rate is a

    little bit lower than peers.  The total is about in the middle.

         This is a summary of those fees that I just talked about, and

    then what some of the others are in terms of in-state and

    out-of-state.  One thing that is worth mentioning when I go back to

    -- sorry, this doesn't work the way I'm used to using these things,

    but I have figured it out, is that Mohave, the other one that has

    in-state fees, or the per-credit hour fees, this year they are

    actually eliminating that.

         That is something we have talked about with the board in one of

    the study sessions as something to think about going forward.  Do we

    want to just eliminate those extra fees and then just fold it into

    regular tuition?  The advantage of doing that is that sometimes it's

    confusing to students that they have tuition and then they have other

    ancillary fees tagged on that are per-credit hour fees.  This would

    just give them one tuition-based charge per credit hour.  It would

    simplify things.  It also simplifies the administration of tuition a

    little bit, as well.

         This is a comparison of where we are with our property tax rates.

    We are one of the lowest in the state.  The proposed increase of 2%

    is in line.  Not all of them are increasing them, but the typical is

    around a 2% increase.  That won't change our position.  We are well





    below where Yavapai is going to be no matter what we do.

         Now, on the expenditure side, the recommendation is that if the

    board approves the revenue parameters that we talked about, it

    provides sufficient revenues to provide for an adjunct faculty rate

    increase of 5%.  It provides salary pool increases for our regular

    staff and faculty of 4%.

         A majority of that goes to the class comp structure with adding a

    year of experience.  That's about 2.5% of that 4%, is just for the

    year of experience.  It also would provide us a little bit of

    additional money to talk about minimum increases for those who aren't

    scheduled to get a year of experience, et cetera.

         It would give us the ability to talk with the AERC reps and sort

    of talk about some of the priorities and see what other priorities we

    might be able to realize through that.

         Again, in order to make this all balance, because most of the

    stuff is the same from last year as for next year or this year for

    next year, in order to make this all balance, this recommendation

    includes the reduction of about $2.5 million of positions.  That's in

    the neighborhood of 28.  It depends on what positions actually get

    eliminated.

         The idea then is to build a three-year plan that has something

    similar to that.  That $2.5 million is about what the cost of the

    year of experience is.  So you're reducing by positions about the

    same amount that you're sort of baking into the budget on an increase

    on an annual basis.  Structurally, that will position the college





    much better going forward.

         And then the last things, just talking about going forward,

    assuming that the board provides the direction on tuition and on the

    other budget parameters, that actually sets the budget almost

    completely so that come May, we will just be showing you what the

    total looks like, because we are not going to be discussing whether

    we do a property tax or not.  It will be decided ahead of time.  That

    makes it a lot easier to plan and just manage the budget in terms of

    the development of the publication of it, getting it publicized to

    the community, and so forth.

         And then June we would have the normal public hearing and special

    meeting that if the board doesn't opt for an increase in the property

    tax, if the board opts for levy neutral, that cuts out some of the

    required hearings and information that we have to provide, just FYI.

    It's a little bit easier to do in terms of managing that process.

         And with that, there is a bit of additional information in terms

    of there is some property tax information here.  A 2% increase, just

    to get some perspective, for a $100,000 property, it's about $2.50

    change year over year.  So an increase to their property taxes,

    because we increase it by 2%, would increase a $100,000 property's

    taxes by about $2.50 for the year.

         I think I got through all of my talking points, and again, open

    for the board if they have any questions or anything else that I can

    help with.

         >> MS. MARIA GARCIA:  Dr. Bea, so the last time I was kind of





    blindsided as to the increases.  And so this specifically has to do

    with the staff and the faculty increases.  So my question is does

    this also include the ELT members, our top administration?

         >> DR. DAVID BEA:  That pool increase would include the

    administration in it, yes, in total.

         >> MS. MARIA GARCIA:  Thank you.

         >> DR. DAVID BEA:  One other point that I failed to mention, to

    put a little bit of perspective around the tuition increase, so for a

    typical student, a typical student, average student takes about 20

    credit hours per year, that would be an increase of about $60.  The

    Pell Grant increase that's proposed in the president's budget is

    proposing, hopefully it will happen because it would be good for

    students, increases a maximum Pell Grant by about $750.

         So the Pell Grant, and that historically has been the case, that

    Pell Grants have been increasing faster than our tuition by quite a

    bit.  Why that's important is that then the tuition increase is not

    disproportionately hitting our lowest, neediest students, because the

    Pell Grants support them.

         >> MS. THERESA RIEL:  Does anybody have a motion?

         >> MS. MARIA GARCIA:  I have a motion.

         I would like to request, to amend what we presently have, that we

    remove the ELT members from receiving an increase.

         Jeff, did I do that correctly?

         >> MR. JEFF SILVYN:  (Off microphone.)

         >> MS. THERESA RIEL:  Yeah.  Is there a second?





         (Second off microphone.)

         >> MS. THERESA RIEL:  Okay.  So now we'll open it up for

    discussion.  Does anybody have any discussion?

         >> MS. MARIA GARCIA:  I would.  I'll start it.

         Okay.  First of all, please understand that I'm not trying to be

    disrespectful to the top administration, but last year there were

    some increases that were given out, and I didn't understand that that

    was going to happen.

         The faculty and the staff have been underpaid for many, many

    years.  In actuality, they are the ones that teach the students and

    they should be compensated.  During the pandemic, I was aware of some

    of our staff people not even, they couldn't even afford to have

    Internet service in their homes.

         In my view, I believe that a long time ago -- this is just my

    opinion -- a long time ago, teachers or faculty members, because it

    was an occupation where it was women entered the field a lot of the

    times because it was kind of like a hobby.  They had good husbands

    that made good salaries and supported them.  And I think, I believe

    that they haven't done that.  Times have changed.  So we really need

    to compensate our instructors and the staff.

         So I have looked at some of the salaries that were given out last

    year, and I didn't agree with them.  I specifically don't agree with

    the fact that your chancellor also gets that increase, whatever the

    administration gets.  So my amendment is that that not happen.

         >> MS. THERESA RIEL:  Any other discussion?





         So I would like to say I understand where you're coming from,

    Maria, because I think someone who is already being paid more, when

    you get the same percentage, it is more money.  But I think that at

    this college we need to recognize that we are all one group.  I think

    administrators realize that faculty get paid X amount, and

    administrators get paid more than that.

         And I do agree with Maria in the fact that when faculty finish

    their day, and I'm just speaking from experience, we go home and we

    grade papers and we do lesson plans and we e-mail students and all of

    that.  So even though it looks like a cake job, because teachers work

    from, you know, 7:00 to 2:30 or 7:00 to 3:00, those are the only

    hours that, you know, K-12, K-20 teachers are with students, but

    that's not the end of the job.

         So I do understand what Board Member Garcia is saying, that when

    you give a 4% salary increase across the board, someone who is making

    $60,000 gets a certain amount, somebody who is getting paid $120,000

    gets double that salary increase that the person making 60,000 got.

         So I do agree with you, but Maria, I don't think we want to

    separate, divide and separate our employee groups like that.  I think

    that everybody needs to realize that if we don't lift everybody up

    where it's a respected profession all the way around, we won't be

    contributing in a positive way.  So that's my thoughts.

         Any other comments or should we call for a vote?

         Okay.  All in favor -- Dr. McLean, did you have something to say?

         >> MR. GREG TAYLOR:  I'm sorry, what are we voting on?





         >> DR. WADE McLEAN:  Point of order.  I think Maria made an

    amendment to nothing.  I don't think we have a motion on the floor.

         >> MS. THERESA RIEL:  Maria's motion, I believe, was to not give

    a 4% increase to ELT members.

         >> DR. WADE McLEAN:  I thought I heard her say "amendment."

         >> MS. THERESA RIEL:  Would you say that one more time,

    Dr. McLean?

         >> DR. WADE McLEAN:  I thought I heard her say she was making an

    amendment.

         >> MS. THERESA RIEL:  No, I think she said "a motion."

         >> MR. GREG TAYLOR:  Did it get a second?

         >> MS. THERESA RIEL:  It did.  Board Member Gonzales seconded it.

         >> MR. GREG TAYLOR:  Oh, sorry.  I didn't hear the second.  Okay.

         >> MS. THERESA RIEL:  Yeah, I should have mentioned that for

    people who weren't here in the room.  Sorry about that.

         So if there is no more discussion, I will call for a vote.  All

    those in favor, say aye?

         >> MS. THERESA RIEL:  All opposed say nay?

         (Nays.)

         >> MS. MARIA GARCIA:  Aye.

         >> MS. THERESA RIEL:  I'm going to say nay, so motion fails.

         Do we have a motion for tuition?  Would anybody like to...

         >> MS. MARIA GARCIA:  To increase tuition?  I make the motion to

    increase tuition.

         >> MS. THERESA RIEL:  To increase it?  By the $3 per unit?





         >> MS. MARIA GARCIA:  (Nods.)

         >> MS. THERESA RIEL:  Is there a second?

         >> MR. GREG TAYLOR:  Second.

         >> MS. THERESA RIEL:  Discussion?

         >> MS. MARIA GARCIA:  I think I just want to say that I really, I

    don't -- you know, I really struggle with having increases in

    tuition, but based on the circumstances, we have no other option.

         >> MS. THERESA RIEL:  Thank you.

         Any other comments?

         >> DR. WADE McLEAN:  I have a comment.

         >> MS. THERESA RIEL:  Go ahead, Dr. McLean.

         >> DR. WADE McLEAN:  First I'd like to say that I appreciate the

    administration coming to us with a recommendation on tuition at the

    same time as the real estate tax increase recommendation.  I've

    always thought that they should be discussed at the same time.

         However, I think there is a number of things that we could be

    discussing that might have an impact on a possible tuition increase,

    a fee increase, and/or real estate taxes increase.  I think we ought

    to have a conversation about differentiated tuition.

         I think we ought to delve into the budget a little bit more to

    see if there is any other areas that we might be able to squeeze to

    transfer money that is currently being recommended to come in new

    revenues.  I think we should revisit our strategic priorities.

         Ultimately, I think the biggest thing we need to do is increase

    our enrollment.  If we increase our enrollment, we get more revenue





    without any new expenditures other than hiring new faculty.  We also

    need to look at staffing levels that I'm thinking are similar to the

    pre-COVID epidemic staffing levels, and I think we have additional

    staff that we don't need based on our current enrollment.

         So with that, I'm going to vote no.

         >> MS. THERESA RIEL:  Any other comments?

         >> MR. GREG TAYLOR:  I do.  You know, and admittedly I struggle

    with this one.  I mean, I think ultimately the best thing to move the

    college forward is to support the budget as proposed with the tuition

    increase and the property tax increase.

         You know, my first inclination was that the rightsizing efforts

    should be more aggressive, and that's my professional experience

    that's coming to bear.  But after having some conversations with

    leadership at the college, I do think a more gradual approach over

    the next three years in terms of reducing positions might be a better

    approach for the college environment than putting everybody through

    the more immediate pain of layoffs or position reductions or position

    eliminations for people that are in.

         I'm optimistic that we can get where we need to be, where we want

    to be, in that three-year plan with minimizing the amount of pain we

    may continue to put the institution through, acknowledging, as I did

    in a meeting or two ago when we talked about BP 1.25, that a lot of

    that is still very real and very prescient.

         I don't like doing it, but the other reality is, and Dr. McLean

    has talked about this on a lot of occasions is, you know, the State





    of Arizona has basically abandoned the college in terms of its

    financial contribution.  The per-student dollars that we should be

    getting, I don't even know what it is now, but I think a year ago

    when I asked, I think it was, like, $20 million a year or something

    that we would normally be getting if we turned back the clock to

    before that per-student contribution was cut.

         So without that, it really puts us in a tremendously difficult

    position financially where we sort of only have two legs of a

    three-legged stool to fund the college, and so we have no choice but

    to balance on property taxes and the tuition and fees that are paid

    by our students.

         I don't take that lightly, because I know housing affordability

    is an increasing issue in Pima County.  I know that the dollars that

    our students are paying for tuition are hard-earned by themselves or

    their families.  So I don't take any of those things lightly.

         But I see the beginnings of the college trying to realistically

    address the cost-structure problems that we have, and I'm being

    convinced that giving a little leeway is going to be in the best

    interest of the college to have a longer runway than I initially

    wanted in terms of getting us there, but that ultimately may produce

    better results for the overall health of the institution.

         So I also just, for the record, I know it wasn't in Maria's

    motion, but simplifying our tuition and fee structure and just moving

    those two fees, I think it's $3 student services, 2.50 technology, so

    5.50 total, just making it tuition, I also am fine with that if





    that's going to make the college's life simpler and a little more

    straightforward for our students.  It looks like most of our peer

    institutions don't have this fee structure and they are just building

    it in.  So I know it wasn't in the motion, but I would support that,

    as well.

         >> MS. THERESA RIEL:  Would you like to make an amendment to the

    motion?

         >> MR. GREG TAYLOR:  Is Maria is amenable to it.  If not, it's

    okay.  I don't have super-strong feelings about it, but I'm okay with

    moving that forward, too.

         >> MS. THERESA RIEL:  So I hear a friendly motion, Maria.  Would

    you accept that?

         >> MS. MARIA GARCIA:  I will second it.

         >> MS. THERESA RIEL:  Thank you.  Any other comments or

    discussion?

         So the new revised motion is to increase tuition by $3 and

    incorporate the two fees into the tuition, so it would be a $100.50

    per-credit unit.  Mental math at this late hour (smiling).

         Is there any more discussion?  If not, I'll call for a vote.

         Do we need to do a roll call vote for issues that -- okay.

         All in favor, say aye?

         (Ayes.)

         >> MS. THERESA RIEL:  Anybody opposed?

         >> DR. WADE McLEAN:  Nay.

         >> MS. THERESA RIEL:  Motion passes 4 to 1.





         Thank you, Dr. Bea.  And we combined 1 and 2 together by doing

    that, correct?

         >> DR. DAVID BEA:  (Off microphone)...so the tuition is covered,

    got it.  The other action item set some of the budget parameters, so

    the question for the board is do you want to set those other budget

    parameters, those being that the recommendation is the property tax

    increase of 2%, and then the guidance in terms of the salary

    increases so that we can go back and speak with AERC and the other

    reps, that would be the 5% increase for adjunct faculty and the 4%

    pool increases.

         Then coming back -- then when those shake out, then we'd come

    back to the board about how it actually plays out, but the pool

    increases, setting that, gives us a set parameter to work with.

         >> MS. THERESA RIEL:  So I have a question what that word

    "pooling" means.

         >> DR. DAVID BEA:  It essentially is just a fixed amount of money

    from which then we can do the year of experience.  So year of

    experience is about $2.5 million.  What we are asking a pool of 4% is

    basically $2 million above that.

         So it would be giving $2 million that gives us the flexibility to

    do minimum increases.  The way that we have done them in the past to

    be clear is that they were flat dollar amounts for minimum increases.

    So they were $2,000.  They weren't proportional.  They weren't a

    percentage increase.  So people who aren't getting a year of

    experience would get that.





         But the reason that the pool increase would give us the ability

    to then discuss what the priorities are with the AERC that are above

    a year of experience and how to approach the minimum increase,

    because they may have different ideas.

         And again, an example of the conversations with AERC, faculty,

    that one of the priorities they identified is not base salary.  It's

    a supplemental rate change, which has a financial impact.  So it

    would provide some funding to be able to do something like that as

    well.

         >> MS. THERESA RIEL:  So the supplemental rate change, faculty

    get pay $32 an hour when they are off contract for doing college

    business, and this would increase it by --

         >> DR. DAVID BEA:  Some amount.  That's what we would be

    discussing.

         >> MS. THERESA RIEL:  So AERC would decide that?

         >> DR. DAVID BEA:  Well, we would be discussing it, and then they

    would make that recommendation back to the board.

         >> MS. THERESA RIEL:  Okay.

         >> DR. DAVID BEA:  So we will talk with them, come up with a list

    of priorities of what to do with that pool of money, and then come

    back to the board with what the totals are.  But what it does is it

    sets the total amount so I know we can't go above X dollars total.

         >> MS. THERESA RIEL:  Okay.  So a year or two ago when the salary

    increases happened, it was a specific dollar amount, and then there

    was, I don't remember the number, but a big chunk of money, and that





    was allocated differently to upper-level administration.

         Is there any chance that something like that will happen this

    year?

         >> DR. DAVID BEA:  Okay.  Yeah, clarifying that issue, so the ELT

    or the upper-administration increases have either been a year of

    experience if the person is slotted to get a year of experience with

    where their schedule is -- that's less common with ELT -- or they got

    the minimum increase.

         So in fact most of the increases the last two years for ELT have

    been flat dollar amounts, which proportionally, because the salaries

    are higher, are actually proportionally lower than what the other

    staff have gotten.  Same dollar amount, right, $2,000 is the minimum.

         The caveat is that a couple of years ago there were adjustments

    to, actually I think it's actually the year before the class comp

    structure where positions changed duties and there were adjustments

    to pay based on change duties.  But that is not the same thing as a

    pool increase structure.  It's not the same thing at all.

         >> MS. THERESA RIEL:  Thank you.

         Do we have a motion to move that the college goes forward with a

    year of experience and then a 4% for the pooling and salaries for all

    employees?  Also including in that is the increase in the hourly wage

    for faculty to do off-contract work, raising that by $2 an hour to

    $32 an hour.  Is that correct?  32 or 34?

         So 32 to 34 an hour.

         >> MR. GREG TAYLOR:  I move to adopt the FY '25 budget parameters





    as recommended.

         >> MS. THERESA RIEL:  Is there a second?

         >> MS. MARIA GARCIA:  Second.

         >> MS. THERESA RIEL:  Any discussion?

         Hearing no discussion, all in favor say aye.

         (Ayes.)

         >> MS. THERESA RIEL:  Any opposed?

         >> DR. WADE McLEAN:  Nay.

         >> MS. THERESA RIEL:  Budget passes 4 to 1.

         Okay.  Thank you very much, and we will move back to our

    regularly scheduled programming (smiling).

         We are on section 2.2, reports by representatives of the board.

    Our first is our student report by Rebecca Ursule.

         >> REBECCA URSULE:  Good evening, chairperson, board members,

    Chancellor Dolores, Pima faculty, and guests.  Our board reports, I

    will be sharing some highlights today.

         First and foremost, I would like to talk about our recent

    meeting.  We had a chance to be with our chancellor in our recent

    meeting.  So some concerns were raised by the students about a high

    drop rate in physics courses.  This concern will be addressed during

    our Town Hall meeting.

         Secondly, some concerns about advising delays.  We also addressed

    students complaining that there is a delay in the department of

    advising.  So, like, during, like, scheduling classes, if you want to

    schedule a meeting with your advisor, your program advisor, it takes





    about two to three weeks for you to talk to your advisor, so there is

    that delay.  So I think the school is looking into that, and we will

    be having a meeting on April 5th and the student department will be

    sharing with us more information about that.

         Thirdly, there is digital issuance of student IDs that's

    underway, and we were told about that in our recent meeting.  There

    is a focus on identity verification addressing software issues.

    However, concerns have been raised by students regarding safety,

    Internet issues, and other challenges associated with digital

    students' IDs.

         We are also happy and proud that six students participated in the

    Futures Conference.  This was a very great experience for us, the

    students.  Also, we also would like to share that we have a new

    Student Senate that was elected for the Northwest Campus, to

    represent the campus.  We had a lack of one student, so we are now

    complete and we are excited about that.

         Lastly, Randalls Chabeja at the East Campus Student Senate

    volunteered for the transportation committee led by Rene, and he will

    be serving in that committee.

         Thank you so much.  This is the end of my report.

         >> MS. THERESA RIEL:  Thank you, Rebecca.  Thank you for you and

    the other student senators once again for being at the Futures

    Conference.  We really appreciate your participation.

         Moving on, the adjunct faculty representative, Sean Mendoza.

         >> SEAN MENDOZA:  Chairwoman Riel, Interim Chancellor





    Duran-Cerda, members of the board, and honored guests.  This month

    the adjunct faculty met with the strategic planning team to update us

    on this year's work and provide us an opportunity for participants to

    share their ideas and priorities to the institution.

         Attendees were broken into three teams led my Nic Richmond, Kelly

    O'Keefe, and Marcela Di Savoia, and given 10 minutes to share our

    diverse perspectives.  The outcome of these discussions resulted in

    four main ideas.  The first is access to learning resources and

    professional development where learning is a primary focus to meet

    the diverse needs of our students.

         Existing resources and services such as the TLC, faculty services

    resource center, and professional development funding play an

    important role in meeting this priority.  We hope that in the days to

    come, more resources can be expanded to further develop learning

    opportunities and experiences for our employee group.

         The second is finding ways to retain and nurture adjunct faculty.

    Our past and current AERC representatives have done a great deal of

    work to improve the work environment, but we also understand that

    more must be done to attract and retain new employees.

         A third idea was greater communication or a mechanism to identify

    existing marketing activities for adjunct faculty.  Working primarily

    in the community, we often serve as ambassadors to external

    organizations that may or may not already be partnered with the

    institution.  We believe that having direct knowledge of marketing

    activities would help bolster opportunities for future partnerships





    and potentially increase our student body.

         Lastly, the topic of adjunct faculty pay is always our top

    priority.  Given this, I'm thankful to see that the proposed budget

    would see a 5% increase in adjunct faculty pay, and on behalf of the

    adjunct faculty, I thank you, Board, for supporting this increase.

    Thank you, Dr. Richmond, Ms. O'Keefe, and Ms. Di Savoia for your work

    in helping us gather these insights.

         In closing, I support all future board meetings utilizing this

    hybrid format.  As someone who studied and researched virtual

    environments and its impact on leadership, there can be no doubt that

    a face-to-face interaction is always preferred.  However, if there is

    one thing the pandemic has taught us, some connection is better than

    no connection at all.

         Given the institution's talented technology staff and existing

    infrastructure, we must continue to embrace and expand the existing

    tools to allow synchronous and asynchronous communication.  I say

    this not just to my fellow representatives but also to anyone who

    struggles to meet in person.  Many of us have commitments that pull

    us away, but technology is available at the college that can help

    create a bridge towards greater inclusion, collaboration, and

    representation.

         By leveraging these resources, a student will not need to have to

    travel across the city after attending an important class or study

    session, or in my case, attending these board meetings from the other

    side of the planet, 15 hours ahead in the future.





         Technology is here to stay, and I thank the board for leading by

    example, showing our students and the community how leadership can

    exemplify compassion, equity, and excellence in a premier community

    college.

         Thank you, board members, for your continued support.  This ends

    my report.

         >> MS. THERESA RIEL:  Thank you, Sean.

         Faculty report by Rita Lennon.

         >> RITA LENNON:  Good evening, Chair Riel, members of the board,

    Chancellor Duran-Cerda, Pima family and guests.  I have four things

    I'd like to share with you from our recent Faculty Senate meeting.

         First of all, that part of our Faculty Senate, but more important

    is the All Faculty Day was Friday, March 8, right after our Futures

    Conference.  In fact, most of our faculty were able to attend it at

    the West Campus so that we were there -- let's try to get this

    microphone -- I swear, by the time I'm done with being the board rep,

    I will have this down, okay?  Guaranteed.  Sorry about that.

    (Laughter.)

         So we were able to attend at the West Campus, and the theme was

    Moving the Needle.  It was a conference-style session, and we had

    lots of wonderful sessions led by faculty and staff and

    administration and wonderful groups of people.  Some of the themes

    were sustainability, artificial intelligence, and data-centered

    decision-making.

         As for our Faculty Senate meeting, we had a report from Jeff





    Thies, our acting provost, on how PimaOnline will be moving forward

    with an eCampus for plans for fall of 2024.  The committee who is

    working on the faculty leadership redesign committee will have two

    models to be shared with all of our academic divisions right after

    spring break.

         We will be getting some wonderful D2L updates, especially on the

    navigation bar, to help students find gradebooks and their course

    progress much easier than they can now.

         That concludes my report.

         >> MS. THERESA RIEL:  Thank you, Rita.

         You know, I was just thinking, at some point maybe we need a

    five-minute demonstration for board members about what D2L looks

    like.  I think that would be a good thing for all of us to know.  I

    knew it, but that doesn't mean I know it.

         So thank you for thinking about that sometime in the future.

         >> RITA LENNON:  That's a great idea.  We actually recommended

    that a couple years ago, but I don't know if we were able to get it

    off the ground.  Obviously we were not able to get it off the ground.

         We would love to do that for you.

         >> MS. THERESA RIEL:  Okay.  Now, as you can see how I did the

    meeting, I'm jumping back and forth, so we are not going to be

    critical at all of anybody else.

         I missed one other administration report, and this is the HLC

    Criterion 4 update with Rita Lennon and David Donderewicz.

         Thank you.





         >> RITA LENNON:  Long time (smiling).  Thank you for having us.

    So I would -- see, I can't get it anywhere (smiling).

         I would like to let you know that beside David and I, we had

    eight members who were part of our Criterion 4 committee, and I'd

    like to recognize them here tonight.  Stacy Naughton, Dom Dominguez,

    Elliot Mead, Lupita Serrano-Villela, Yvonne Perez, James Gray were

    also part of our team.

         So I would like to start, let's see if I can do this, I'd like to

    start about where we are.  Criterion 4 has three core components, and

    the overarching theme for 4A is that the institution ensures quality

    of educational offerings, and that would be in program review, prior

    learning credit, our awards, both our degrees and certificates, and

    the rigor of our courses.

         Where we are now is we need to strategize marketing capabilities

    while realizing our funding realities.  We also need to strategize

    with all of our stakeholders involved, both internal and external.

    We need to leverage current systems that we use, like eLumen and

    Curriculog, as well as some of our technology capabilities.

         Moving on to 4B, the overarching theme for 4B is how student

    learning ties to our curriculum offerings, so our course offerings.

    And where we are now, we need to establish or we have established and

    maintain practical transparent practices for assessing course program

    in our institutional or general education learning outcomes, and we

    need to do the same thing for our curricular assessments,

    co-curricular assessments.





         For 4C, the overarching theme is educational improvements to

    improve retention, persistence, and completion.  There is a word

    there that's called "rates," but I'm thinking of the whole student,

    so looking at how students move through the process.

         Where we are is, well, we need to move beyond the collection and

    actually use that data, and I think that we are definitely doing that

    more now with our data days.  We are trying to say that differently

    instead of data days, because it sounds like day to day.  So data

    days, and other ways we are looking at data in the academic side.

         One way that we're also looking at leveraging that is through the

    Pima Connect system, which is a system that can connect students with

    their success coaches, their faculty, and advisors.  We also need to

    look at updating and implementing the Strategic Enrollment Management

    Plan, which I think David will talk about more here in a moment.

         >> DAVID DONDEREWICZ:  Thank you.  Where we are going with

    Criterion 4, so Rita laid out really where we currently are, so

    really, as we talk about the three sections, 4A, really starting to

    standardize processes across the institution, division to division,

    those are the same processes moving forward so we can really start to

    look at those outcomes based on those processes, have that

    communication that's consistent from area to area so our students get

    the same message.

         Tie in program review to strategic planning and initiatives

    around the college.  Then lastly, establish an after-action program

    review process to ensure success is being measured in our





    disciplines.

         4B, really creating that connection so it's stronger between the

    co-curricular side and the academic side, as kind of Rita was talking

    about that retention, persistence, completion, those tying together

    really get us to that area we want to go to.  Really looking at this

    holistically, and as an institution, examining those student learning

    data that we have, and have it looking at that compared to the

    success that we see with our students.  So looking at those outcomes

    and see if that is leading to that student success we hope that we

    are having with the community.

         Then the last one, 4C, really tying that funding back to our

    strategic goals and creating that standardized way to do this so

    everybody knows how to do the process, and that's going to the

    strategic initiatives at the institution.

         And then building in automation and intervention points with our

    student population so we can help those students, and I think we

    talked about the retention tables at the Futures Conference, really

    have those meaningful conversations with those students but having

    that help to determine when we need to have those conversations so we

    are not waiting for a human to kind of start that interaction, that

    we have triggers in place so we know when to start that.

         Lastly, we are working as an institution to complete that

    Strategic Enrollment Management Plan by the end of summer, so that

    will be, I think that ties up the overall argument we are looking to

    make.  I will stop there, and if you guys have questions for us.





         >> MS. THERESA RIEL:  Any questions?  Thank you, both.

         >> DAVID DONDEREWICZ:  Thank you.

         >> MS. THERESA RIEL:  Once again, Wendy Weeks and all of the

    staff and faculty and administrators that are working to make sure

    that we receive our reaffirmation of our accreditation, we are once

    again really, really thankful for all of that work.

         I did look through a couple of board meetings from last time we

    were reaccredited, and it was mentioned by one of the board members

    that we spend a lot of energy and effort having to do this.

         It's something that we always have to do to get reaffirmation.

    It's just part of an organization and institution like this, showing

    that while we may not be perfect, we know in areas where we need to

    improve upon and we're aware of the good things and the bad things

    that the institution has.

         So I just wanted to say thank you, Wendy, to you and your team.

    Thank you very much.

         Moving on to our interim chancellor report.  Thank you.

         >> DR. DOLORES DURAN-CERDA:  Thank you, Board Chair Riel.

         Good evening, everyone, and thank you to everyone joining us

    virtually.  Happy Women's History Month.  As always, I like to start

    with some congratulations.  And I'd like to congratulate Yvette

    Rodriguez, who is an aviation program advisor, she has received and

    been recognized as a remarkable mom, presented by Tu Nidito Child and

    Family Services, and this will take place on May 11.  We congratulate

    her for this.





         Also, Board Vice-Chair McLean talked about Pima's men's

    basketball team.  They won the NJCAA Region 1 division title.  We're

    very proud of our athletes at the college.

         I have continued with the Chats with the Interim Chancellor at

    the various campuses, and I've done Downtown, West, and Northwest

    Campus.  Tomorrow I believe I'm at East Campus, and then I will be at

    Desert Vista.

         These are really wonderful opportunities to be speaking to staff

    and faculty about how things are going at Pima, what can be improved,

    and any questions and concerns.  We have talked a lot about

    enrollment strategies and retention.  It's been very, very helpful.

         Right after, I meet with the campus vice president and give them

    an update and debriefing and things that address the campus they can

    do and other aspects I can follow up on.

         I also wanted to recognize the Bellwether finalists, so the board

    chair and other board members and I went, and I wanted to recognize

    the Legacy Finalists, and that many program was for the emergency

    medical services.  We had Amanda Abens, Sharon Hollingsworth, and

    others present, and then for the Bellwether Finalists we had the

    apprenticeship program, and that was with Denise Kingman, Ian Roark,

    and someone from Raytheon who is having one of our students be an

    intern that.  We are very happy with that.

         A couple weeks ago, many of the board members and myself, and

    this was coordinated by Acting Provost Jeff Thies, we went to the

    Helios ASU Decision Center.  That was amazing.  This is a place where





    data can be explored throughout the state and from K-12 to

    postsecondary to looking at where jobs are going to be projected in

    the state for the future.  So this informs us of what we need to be

    offering at the college.  We are very grateful for that opportunity,

    and we have a plan of inviting more folks from the community

    internally and externally, as well.

         Some of the board members already mentioned this, the All-Arizona

    Academic Ceremony, where we celebrated 20 students who will be

    receiving scholarships to transfer to one of the universities.  We

    also celebrated 14 students in the National Adult Basic Ed for

    College and Career Honors Society induction.  Congressman Grijalva's

    representative was there to help celebrate and recognize these

    students, which was wonderful.

         We've talked about the Futures Conference, and I wanted to give a

    shoutout to Dr. Nic Richmond who coordinated this event with about 50

    other people.  It was amazing.  Board Chair gave wonderful welcoming

    remarks, set the tone and the framework for our discussions.  Brian

    Stewart did an amazing job as MC for the entire event, kept it going

    and kept us grounded, as well.

         We had the CEO of SALC, Ted Maxwell, who talked about the

    importance of economic development.  Dr. Marla Franco from the

    University of Arizona who talked about the importance of our

    partnership as an his institution and what we can do.  Then we also

    had Dr. Manny Valenzuela speak, the superintendent of Sahaurita.

         It was a wonderful environment.  We had high school students, our





    student senators were there.  Thank you to the facilitators and the

    scribes, those who worked at the registration table, PCCTV.  Thank

    you for all of your efforts to make this such a successful day.

         Later that afternoon I was at the All Faculty Day, and it was a

    privilege to be with faculty again and remembering my times as a

    faculty member.  I just talked about how the culture of caring and

    reminding all of us about the of importance of faculty members,

    because the faculty are the heart and soul of the institution.  We

    wouldn't have students if we didn't have faculty, and of course the

    support of staff as well.  It was just a wonderful day, and I'm so

    glad that it was successful.

         Couple more things.  I visited an intermediate acting class at

    the West Campus, which was fascinating.  I enjoyed it.  There were

    about 20, 25 students.  I'd like to thank Chris Will, the faculty

    member there.

         They are amazing.  They talked not only about theory and

    specifically talked about targets and how you are, as actors, you're

    not focused yourself.  You're focused on who else is on the stage

    with you be it a person, place, or thing.  So really gave me a lens

    about how everything is a collective, in acting or in a board

    meeting, for example, too.

         Then the next day I went to visit an aviation class at the

    aviation center.  It was amazing.  Actually saw two different

    classes, and I learned a lot.  I will share, there are three

    different tracks.  There's avionics, which deals with the electrical





    parts of aviation.  There is A&P, which focuses on the mechanics, so

    it's airplane [sic] and power plant.  And then sheet metal structure.

         It was incredible to see these students of different backgrounds,

    different age groups, different genders, and they were all working

    and so happy to have this opportunity.

         There was one student that I'll mention.  His name is Andy.  He

    was an older student, and he had started the aviation program 14

    years ago, but life happened.  He went through a journey.  Decided it

    was important to come back and finish, because now he had children

    and he wanted to be a role model for his kids, that if you start

    something, you finish it.

         So 14 years later, he came back to the aviation program and will

    be finishing and is hoping he can be hired by Hawaiian Airlines to

    work (smiling.)  That was just great.  It was a highlight.

         Two more things and then I will be done.  I wanted to thank

    Senators Kelly and Sinema for really fighting hard so we could get

    our 2.5 million for the center of excellence in health professions.

    My gratitude goes out to them.

         We've also received the Jobs for the Future project that includes

    Center for the Future of Arizona and Pima Community College, and this

    is focusing on dual enrollment.  So increasing dual enrollment access

    and success, grades 10 through 12.  It's focused on low-income

    students and students of color.

         A lot of wonderful things are going on.  Just to let you know

    also, we want to keep our legislators informed.  Libby Howell does a





    wonderful job, Joseph Mais, and Phil Burdick's team.

         The board chair and I were talking about maybe we should host a

    luncheon for the state legislators so they could come, for example,

    to the Downtown Campus.  We could give them a tour and see all of the

    wonderful things that the college is doing, and maybe that will spark

    some interest of reinstating funding for us.  We are keeping that in

    mind, as well.

         I think with that, I'm done with my report.  Thank you.

         >> MS. THERESA RIEL:  Thank you so much, Dr. Dolores Duran-Cerda.

    We appreciate everything you do at the college, too.

         I want to just take a moment to say something.  It has been

    suggested in the past, not this year, but in prior years, that our

    board meetings are too long for all of you guys that started at 8:00

    this morning, and here it's heading toward that same time, 12 hours

    later.

         So we are going to be sort of instituting a new way that we would

    like to see reports to the board be done.  You submit your report in

    advance, and it is on BoardDocs, not only for the board members to

    read but for everybody to read in the community.  That's really

    important, you know, for faculty, staff, administrators to read and

    see what's going on.

         And then, to keep it more interactive, what we are going to try

    to do is we're going to try to post questions for you, and some of

    those we will let you know in advance, as the supplier of the board,

    hey, this is the question I'd like to ask you.  It doesn't have to be





    a long, drawn-out answer, just to the point, basic.

         Then some of us, of course, will think of things at the moment

    and will ask you, and those questions that you haven't been informed

    of in advance, we'd just like you to get back to us at some point to

    the board.  You can send it to Andrea, can send it to Dolores, and

    then they will get it to us, also.

         When you do present, one great thing would be just to have a

    one-screen PowerPoint with four bullets that most important things

    that you want the board to come away with from the information that

    you gave us, questions that you have of the board that you would like

    us to ponder and deepen our understanding and knowledge of what's

    happening in the Pima Community College community.

         So we will be reaching out to you as we move on through this next

    semester just to encourage you and show you some ideas of things that

    we'd like.  I talk a lot.  I apologize.  I will work on that, too.

    We would like to have our meetings to be, except for the big ones,

    like when we have to do all sorts of legal stuff, we'd like to have

    them be at, like, an hour and a half at the max level.  So that's

    what we're going to try to do from now on if that is okay with

    everybody.

         Understand we completely appreciate all of the reports and all

    information that you have given us, but we would like to just take it

    upon ourselves to be more proactive, reading your reports, and

    letting you know the questions we have in advance so you're prepared

    for our questions.  It can be more of a question-and-answer period.





         Moving on, information item 3, a lot of information there.  Once

    again, it's important for all of us to look at it and see what's

    going on.  But they are not any items that we have to vote on.

         Then now we're moving to the consent agenda.  First of all, I'd

    like to ask, are there any items that any board member would like to

    have pulled from the consent agenda?

         Hearing no -- oops.  I think I heard no suggestions to pull an

    item.  Is there a motion to approve the consent agenda?

         >> DR. WADE McLEAN:  So moved.

         >> MS. THERESA RIEL:  Is there a second?

         >> MS. MARIA GARCIA:  Second.

         >> MS. THERESA RIEL:  All in favor, say aye?

         (Ayes.)

         >> MS. THERESA RIEL:  Any opposed?

         Motion passes unanimously.

         Yeah, I do have one more thing to say.  It has been brought to my

    attention that when I made that motion last time for two board

    members, myself -- I didn't make the motion, I don't think, but it

    ended up that we didn't put the words that we just be observers,

    nonvoting members on the committee to select the chancellor.  It's

    been brought to my attention that maybe some people on that committee

    might feel like what's the point of them putting all that time and

    energy if the board members, in fact, the chair and vice chair of the

    board, are voting members.

         So in our next meeting I'd like to put on the agenda that we have





    a reconsideration of that motion to go back to the original, sort of

    the original motion that Maria had made where we were just nonvoting

    members on that committee.  We will still attend, because we will be

    the liaison back to the board, but I just want to let everybody know

    that once again I made a mistake, but I will be correcting that.

         Thank you, again, to all those people on the committee, also for

    their time assistance and making sure that we choose the best

    chancellor for this amazing place.

         With that, is there any other future agenda items that anybody

    wants to propose?

         Okay.  Hearing none, I'm going to adjourn the meeting.  Thank

    you.

         (Adjournment.)





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